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Burma Expert Urges US to Tighten Sanctions


By LALIT K JHA / WASHINGTON Friday, April 24, 2009

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Accusing the Burmese regime of looting the country, a prominent world expert on Burma urged the US on Thursday to tighten its economic sanctions policy against the junta.

Further financial sanctions were necessary to protect Burma against the wholesale theft of its financial and natural resources, Dr Sean Turnell, an Associate Professor of Economics at MacQuarie University in Australia, told a US congressional hearing.

Turnell charged that foreign exchange revenue from Burma’s exports of natural gas were being disposed of offshore in ways that brought about the least advantage to the Burmese people.

Testifying before a hearing by the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on “Human Rights Abuses in Burma,” Turnell said:  “Now is decidedly not the time to lift the economic sanctions levied against a regime that, for nearly fifty years, has impoverished as it has abused in other ways, the people of Burma.”  If sanctions were lifted, he said, it would only help the regime increase its stranglehold on the country.

Turnell, who also heads “Burma Economy Watch,” reminded the panel that Burma remained a centre of “prime money laundering concern,” according to the OECD and other international agencies.

The administration of President Barack Obama has announced it is reviewing US policy on Burma, and there have also been moves within the EC for a review of European sanctions against Burma.

Western opponents of sanctions argue they hit innocent Burmese people harder than the regime, but Turnell challenged this view.

“Sanctions are not the cause of Burma’s poverty, nor do they obstruct the country’s military regime from engaging in economic reform or from applying policies conducive to economic growth,” he argued.

“The most significant ‘sanctioner’ on Burma is none other than the country’s ruling regime itself, which has created an environment in which genuine transformative economic activity is scarcely possible, let alone similarly efficacious foreign investment or trade.”

Burma’s internal political-economy denied the country access to the international economy, and from the potential gains from the international division of labour so effectively exploited by its neighbours in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and by countries such as China, Turnell said.

Claiming that Burma’s state is almost wholly predatory, and is not so much parasitic of its host as all-consuming, he said: “If in other countries ruling regimes behave occasionally as racketeers in skimming a ‘cut’ from prosperous business, then Burma’s is more like a looter—destroying what it can neither create nor understand.”

Financial sanctions, Turnell said, are extraordinarily well-targeted. The average person in Burma has no access to a bank account, much less a need or desire to engage the international financial system.

This is not true for the members of the SPDC or the elite connected to them, said Turnell. As such, the denial of access to the US financial system to this group sends precisely the right signal, to precisely the right people, he added.



Moe Aung Wrote:
04/05/2009
plan B,

1) We need to change the government to improve the economy."
You can't change a tiger to become vegetarian. The tiger must go.

"2) The junta is getting richer." You think?

".. blatantly blind assertion that the present suffering is not cause by your proposed failed sanction of the last 20-plus years."

The cause has a name: SLORC-->SPDC. You have to be pretending to be not just asleep but blind, too, not to see it. It's your way of defending the junta by shifting the blame on to sanctions and away from their policies and actions. The reason why you've been so angry with and vicious toward Sean Turnell. Too clever by half.

Whatever contributes toward the downfall of the junta will remove the root cause of suffering. Even a child in Burma knows that.

plan B Wrote:
29/04/2009
Facts:

1) We need to change the government to improve the economy.
2) The junta is getting richer.

Turnell and supporters,

Can you reconcile your facts presented which I agree with to how continuing sanction will solve the suffering?

For argument's sake I will even concede to your blatantly blind assertion that the present suffering is not cause by your proposed failed sanction of last 20+ years.

Al Aung Wrote:
28/04/2009
I am your average regular Burmese guy and I fully agree with Professor Turnell's assessment of the Burma. My question to Professor Turnell is can the SPDC and the elite connected to them still get around the denial of access to the US financial system when China and (lately) India have been very actively dealing with them?

The long suffering people of Burma would no doubt happily continue to put up with severe hardship if only they can be assured the sanctions would prove to be effective (bring about a desired regime change or freedom) within a set period of time and improve their living conditions. Professor Turnell pointed to the effectiveness of the financial sanctions targeted at the SPDC and Co, yet they still appears to be enjoying the spoils and very much carrying on as before. Can Professor Turner provide more information on how we should shut SPDC down completely financially, including supplies of armaments to the brutal army? That will really be helpful for the people of Burma

Moe Aung Wrote:
28/04/2009
pLan B:

Do feel free to carry on please. As if we could stop this incontinence. You were actually missed BTW. Been most entertaining.

Shame the US Congress lent their collective ear to Sean Turnell whilst they failed to take notice of the frantic messianic messages of plan B. Another academic? Wouldn't say those who can't teach. But getting a little incoherent now? Is that a bit of froth at the corner of your mouth?

Yangon Thar:

I agree with this often voiced legitimate concern about being pushed further and further into China's sphere. The difference between the robber baron/settlers-in-the-West stage of capitalism a la China and the modern mature stage as globalization completes the circle. Tough call, isn't it? There must be a trade-off. It takes two to tango.

Burmatex:

"Targeted sanctions yes, blanket sanctions no." Agreed. Sanctions can be a very blunt instrument when indiscriminate. But to lift them altogether with no quid pro quo? Crime pays, doesn't it just?

pLan B Wrote:
27/04/2009
Ko Moe Aung or Lorilmag—Please stop me when you absolutely get the idea that you are just a victim of your own hatred. Turnell is just using you for his own political gain.
Burma needs you to contribute. Not agreeing with some academics from Australia other than his ego, have no stake in the Burmese citizenry’s wellbeing, one way or the other.
Irrawaddy patron G Soros is based in the US for some good reason and so is Warren Buffet.
I am quite sure Turnell is less concerned in the plight of the Burmese, given his advocacy to continue to support the sanctions.

All the passages quoted are tainted with prejudice that shows his true nature. Read the full expose here with an open mind and decide for yourself.
http://www.econ.mq.edu.au/burma_economic_watch

pLan B Wrote:
27/04/2009

"The most significant ‘sanctioner’ on Burma is none other than the country’s ruling regime itself, which has created an environment in which genuine transformative economic activity is scarcely possible, let alone similarly efficacious foreign investment or trade.”

Isn’t it rather shameful to be pandering to the idea that the cart is moving the horse?
Let’s see that the junta was terrible before sanctions. It got even worst after sanctions and it is entirely the junta's fault. Turnell, you shame the degree and the institution that confer them to you. Your supporters just join in to cheer on your senseless but nevertheless suffering inducing ideas.

pLan B Wrote:
27/04/2009
Ko Moe Aung and lorilmag—

Relying on other's ideas instead of using your unique ability to see differently on the same subject is what makes you stooges. It doesn't have to be this way.
Again the question at hand is:
What needs to be done to benefit the citizenry at hand individually and organization-wise?
Present actions have not resulted in a theoretical desired effect.

Will you:
a) Label the junta as predatory/incorrigible and then justifying to continue the present policies that hurt the private/middle class/individuals/hoi polloi more or
b) Choose your own Plan B to help the citizenry effect the changes that are needed through economic empowering.
That will indeed entail healthcare and education, as I have clearly stated.
Stop following the charlatan whose ego will obviously not allow admitting mistakes.
Be unique, spell out your ideas clearly and succinctly.
Turnell can always claim in the end: "I never meant it do the sanction this way." To absolve himself. You do not.

Aung Tha Wrote:
27/04/2009
Money from exporting the gas of Arakan state is very systematically stolen by a group of generals and not even a single cent is considered for the people of Burma. But their (generals' families) and associates are having luxury shopping trips and the best medical attendance in Singapore and other world cities. The Burmese embassy in Singapore earns more than S$150,000 per day from the Burmese nationals working in Singapore. It is simple looting, and the renewal of passports is linked to this looting.

San Myint Htwe Wrote:
27/04/2009
It's right. Too right! The most significant sanctioner is the ruling regime itself.
Their request to lift sanctions is for their self-profit.

pLan B Wrote:
27/04/2009
To be fair for labeling some body as charlatan, please read this post 19/3/09 by "BL".
http://www.irrawaddy.org/opinion_story.php?art_id=15307
It is still not too late to redeem yourself, Mr Turnell. Clearly by volition you have condemned the hoi polloi of Burma to more years of suffering.
Your colleague’s take on the same situation during the senate hearing
http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2006/hrg060329p.html
needs to be read carefully. He has more encompassing experience than you.

Yangon Thar Wrote:
27/04/2009
Mandalay Thar—

Why do I have a hard time believing that you represent "a group of middle-aged people here in Burma"?

There are many "suppressive regimes" around the world. Many are super-corrupt and mismanage their economies. But their countries still receive assistance, and there is still the possibility of connecting to the outside world through trade. What Burma is being denied by hard-heads on both sides is not utopia but a more normal situation.

If Mr Turnell had his way and sanctions remain, you and your middle-aged friends will enjoy your old age as part of a Chinese province, effectively colonized like Tibet, with a new generation of generals in charge, Burmese people poorer still, and people like Sean Turnell making the same ineffective statements ten thousand miles away.

PLan B Wrote:
27/04/2009
When Sean Turnell stated categorically that "the cause of poverty in Burma is nothing to do with the US sanctions" he immediately disqualified himself from being a so-called impartial advocate for Burmese citizenry. Period.
I can not but repeat his glossing over the Junta’s growing foreign reserves as a prime example of his "I chose to ignore what I like, the way I want to, because I can" attitude. He has no personal stake other than this reputation.
A charlatan, nevertheless, in economics. Just another blinded junta hater?
Like the poster whose challenge I almost missed because of this post not being obvious.
Being an academic myself, I am reminded not to be blinded by your own proposition— i.e. do not spit that you might have to take back.
A simple look at China will tell Turnell how far he has fallen from reality.

a Burmese in Singapore Wrote:
27/04/2009
The world should impose economic sanctions not only on Burma but also on Singapore, a tax haven and money-laundering hub. The generals from Burma are buying private properties in Singapore with the money they looted from Burma and some with drug money. Furthermore, the Burmese shops in Peninsular Plaza are doing the illegal money remittance business openly in Singapore. That illegal money remittance business is another way of the junta's laundering money in Singapore.

The world should take action on the Singapore government as well.

Matthew Zeus Wrote:
26/04/2009

Thanks to Professor Turnell for his views and his long-time commitments and concerns for the people of Burma.
However, I strongly disagree with his point of view that tightening sanctions will solve this country's various prolonged political and ethnic conflicts. Tightening sanction will only hurt the majority of ordinary people’s lives in Burma.
If we evaluate carefully what has been happening to Burma over the past 20 years, the impact of sanctions on the deteriorating socio-economic situation and day-to-day hardship of ordinary people’s lives. The social divide among Burmese; the growing numbers of military government-backed civilian organizations USDA and Swan-Ar –Shin, civilian militia at grassroots levels, are the strong indication of ordinary people’s response to their day-to-day survival.
Sanctions on Burma do not work.
The US and the EU need to lift the sanctions under workable pre-conditions and a framework to start a new engagement and implement innovative policy on Burma.

pLan B Wrote:
26/04/2009
What makes Turnell "a Burma expert,” anyway?
Just because he wrote a few articles that justify the West’s actions, which have been proven utterly wrong by his own report.
Go on, Mr Deceiver, declare the sanction horse is not dead and keep beating the dead horse.



Mandalay Thar Wrote:
25/04/2009
We are a group of middle-aged people here in Burma and we fully support what Mr Turnell expressed on Burma. Long live Mr Turnell!

Who knows what our Burmese people suffer under the mismanagement of the suppressive regime for many years.



nono Wrote:
25/04/2009
The Burmese regime never cares about sanctions.

I am a farmer in Karen state and I work very hard for my family. But the Burmese army asked me to give them all my rice to them. Now I have nothing to eat. And they do this to all Karen people that live in Karen State. They said we give rice to KNU. That’s why they take everything from us. Please help us, United Nations!

George Than Setkyar Heine Wrote:
25/04/2009
Well presented Professor Turnell. Yes, sanctions should be in place and even much tighter than now. They really bite you know. That's why Thein Sein is begging anyone he sees to help lift the sanctions if you noticed.

Of course, the problem of people getting jobs and others is not ours or that of the international community's either. That's Than Shwe's. He is responsible for their well-being and prosperity. The guy's stealing the country's wealth and so also are his thugs and cronies, want to bet? It is his policy to impoverish the people and keep them busy scrounging for crumbs and bits while he and his cronies steal the country's resources.
People cannot turn on him while occupied with feeding their families, can they? He can't let the middle class grow. Soon there will be only: Rich and powerful ruling class led by the military; and poor and wretched ordinary people to serve them.

This is unacceptable of course. And this is the time to rid of thieves in Burma.

M Haji Wrote:
25/04/2009

The hypocrisy of the West regarding the selective economic sanctions on Burma was failed to be mentioned by Dr Sean Turnell. Although the sanctions are not the cause of poverty in Burma, that definitely do not obstruct the prosperity and thriving of personal wealth of ruling members.

China, India and Asean alike are harvesting the fruitful wealth like oil, gas, gemstones, timber, etc under the watchful eyes of the West. At the same time Western companies like UNOCAL [/Chevron] and Total are fully engaged with regime's economic activities and projects.

Sanctioned or not sanctioned, wealthy middlemen are playing clever games to bridge between the regime and well-wishers of the West and Asean to achieve the regime's establishment of its own economic growth, ( remember the famous middleman Adnan Khashuji of Saudi Arabia?). International financial sanctions definitely push the majority of Burmese people to grave poverty rather than hitting hard on the regime.

Beth Wrote:
25/04/2009
Mr Turnell is not understanding the true impact of sanctions on Burma: of course they are not the cause of poverty in the country, nor are they directed towards ordinary citizens.

But having a bank account is not the determining factor: sanctions are more complicated than that. By limiting investment and financial transactions, sanctions also limit the development of Burma's infrastructure and economic growth.

Sanctions limit Burmese citizens indirectly, because they are the ones who are in need of development assistance - not the generals. Sanctions do certainly limit the generals' financial transactions, but they also prevent any economic growth from happening at the grassroots level of society, where it is most needed.

The real criticism of sanctions is that those in power do not feel the real pinch of the sanctions - they have other venues for investment. The average citizen feels the pinch, because s/he has nothing to begin with.

Van Mualcin Wrote:
25/04/2009
Professor Turnell pointed out rightly. If Obama changes the US policy on Burmese regime, the generals will laugh at the Americans. Shifting the focus will not send a positive message to people who look up to the US for effective support.

burmatex Wrote:
25/04/2009
It is important the targeted sanctions against the regime and their inner circle remain in place. New, more stringent targeted sanctions against the regime should be added as well.

The blanket sanctions against all Burmese goods and services that exist today though, should be lifted. These sanctions place unnecessary burden on the people of Burma without being effective against the regime. Targeted sanctions are like shooting at your enemy with a snipers rifle and scope. Blanket sanctions are like shooting into a crowd with a shotgun, and hoping your enemy will get hit by one of the hundreds of pellets flying through the air. Much more damage is done to the innocents in the crowd than to your enemy. Targeted sanctions yes, blanket sanctions no.

Moe Aung Wrote:
24/04/2009
Where are you, Plan B? We await your input here. Thank goodness Sean Turnell's is not a voice in the wilderness. Much appreciated.

Hkun Nawng Wrote:
24/04/2009
What Turnell said is true. The cause of poverty in Burma is nothing to do with the US sanctions. I would say it rather concerns with China and Asean. It means if China imposes sanctions we will have nothing to eat even though we have money.

We, the ordinary people, lost our lands because the authorities and unethical business people confiscated and exploited. We can not do anything, but to shut up. We can not do business freely because the authorities exploit us. For instance, local Kachin people from western Kachin State lost their lands because Tay Za's company has confiscated them.

Average Burmese people are not affected by the US sanctions but the government and the rich having connections with the authorities. We the ordinary people need experts like Turnell who delivers our messages to the international community. Thank you, Turnell.


lorilmag Wrote:
24/04/2009
Bravo, Professor Turnell! This is precisely the sort of unequivocal message we need right now. The sanctions must remain. Granted, a bullet to Than Shwe's head might be a more effective way to end Burma's misery, but until that opportunity presents itself, sanctions are a sure-fire way of letting that shaved ape know he's in the sniper's sights.





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