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Rohingya migrants sit in a provincial immigration detention center in southwestern Thailand fter being transported from Ranong prison in January. Thailand promised a transparent investigation into allegations of army abuse of Rohingya boat people. (Photo: Reuters)


COVER STORY

The Row over the Rohingya


By NEIL LAWRENCE MAR — APR, 2009 - VOLUME 17 NO.2

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Irrawaddy readers weigh in on a contentious issue

IN February, The Irrawaddy launched a new online feature, enabling users of our Web site www.irrawaddy.org to post comments on stories of particular interest to them. One subject has attracted far more attention than any other: the status of the Rohingya in Burma. Every news item and commentary on this topic elicited numerous responses; taken together, they give a sense of the range of opinions on this issue.

Some readers based their arguments on historical evidence, while others emphasized human rights considerations. But judging from the bulk of the comments we received, it was clear that race, religion and ethnicity were the major factors animating the debate over whether the Rohingya “belong” in Burma.

Few readers stooped to the blatant racism of the Burmese consul in Hong Kong, who infamously described the Rohingya as ugly, dark-skinned “ogres.” Some, however, evidently viewed the matter chiefly through the lens of race.

“A thorough DNA testing would reveal that these [people] belong to Bangladesh rather than Burma,” wrote one such reader, San Oo Aung.

For many other readers, the Islamic faith of the Rohingya was more of an issue than their genetic makeup. Although some, like Tin Win, recalled “ancient days when Muslims and Buddhists stayed together side by side in harmony,” many others painted a much darker picture of relations between followers of the two religions.

“For once, the regime is right,” wrote Pasquale. “The Rohingya are not Burmese. They are the fifth column for the Islamization of the land of Dhamma.”

“Be careful, Shwedagon Pagoda will disappear very soon,” echoed Mr True, who also accused The Irrawaddy and other exiled media of being “worse that the SPDC” for their supposed bias in favor of the Rohingya.

Just as controversial as the subject of race and religion was the issue of ethnicity. Many readers followed the junta’s practice of labeling the Rohingya “Bengalis.” Indeed, many voiced strong support for the regime’s refusal to recognize the Rohingya as an ethnic group.

“I dislike the junta, but I support it for [its position on the] Rohingya,” wrote Maung Myanmar, in response to a report on our Burmese-language Web site.

Such views (which were also common on the English version of The Irrawaddy) provoked a number of international readers to express concern about the attitudes of some Burmese who profess to espouse democratic principles.

“Aren’t we fighting so that human rights will be protected for everyone?” asked Pokpong Lawansiri, who identified himself as “a Thai advocate working for a Burmese cause.”

Hong Kong-based Luzhou similarly asked: “Do we not believe in justice, equality, non-discrimination? Do we not observe the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

“Even when the democracy struggle has come to a victory, and democratic government is established, without the right attitude, there will be no answer to the problem,” he added.

Several Burmese readers expressed sympathy for the Rohingya as fellow victims of military rule, but in some cases added that too much emphasis had been placed on their plight because of their religion and ethnicity. “Please do not forget the fact that the military government kills even Buddhist monks,” wrote Than Aung.

“Rohingyas deserve humanitarian aid as much as any other refugees. Focus should be on that and not on which ethnicity they belong to,” wrote Khin, who cautioned against “carelessly” accepting the claims of the Rohingya “out of sympathy.”

The most hotly disputed claims were those relating to the historical presence of the Rohingya in Arakan State. Historian Aye Chan was representative of those who strongly denied that the Rohingya have long had a place in the history of the once-independent kingdom of Arakan.

“It is obvious that the term ‘Rohingya’ was created in the 1950s by the educated Chittagonian descendants from the Mayu Frontier area (present day Buthidaung and Maungdaw Districts) and that it cannot be found in any historical source materials in any language till then,” he wrote.

As some readers pointed out, however, not all historians agree with this view.

“Dr Than Tun wrote that the Muslim title used [by] Arakan kings mentioned in the stone pillar of 1422 might be Rohingyas from the Mayu valley of the eastern Naf river and the western Kaladan river who have claimed their existence there for over 1,000 years,” wrote Maungmaung, referring to the findings of a well-known Burmese historian.

Notwithstanding the role of The Irrawaddy’s online comments section and other Internet-based forums, some readers complained that the real problem dogging this issue is the lack of open discussion.



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Free Man Wrote:
04/05/2009
I believe the best and right way to look at the whole issue is through the lens of humanity. We should free ourselves from the shackles of social constructs and man-made systems and treat one another with respect and loving-kindness.

Some people seem to fear that the spread of Islam through Rohingyas might result in Buddhism falling into oblivion. I don't think there should be such fear if we uphold reason and science.

Free Man Wrote:
03/05/2009
After reading all the writings on Rohingyas, it is sad and disappointing to learn that some people are bashing and discriminating against Rohingyas because of their race and religion while they themselves want the prevalence of human rights and democracy in Burma. Although they may disagree over whether Rohingyas are from Burma despite some views expressed by historians, etc., they should at least express their humanity towards Rohingyas. In fact, I am not even sure, honestly speaking, if the people of Burma are ready and willing to treat their non-Burman ethnic nationalities on an equal footing. It is sad but seems to be the reality from observing the democracy movement and opinions expressed in books and writings.

jin Wrote:
02/05/2009
SY Alam:

"It seems that the Rohingya problem is a symptom of hate crimes by the illegal army. There is nothing wrong with them calling themselves Rohingya — it is perfectly in accord with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the United Nations Charter. Most of the Rakhines are not anti-Rohingya, except for bigoted ultranationalists, because they know history."

This is not true. You should not deny your Bengali original. Many Bengali were settled in the whole of Burma after the Burmese-Anglo war.

min Wrote:
02/05/2009
The UN's human rights have one flaw, although they are to protect humanity. If a people, particularly a small ethnic group of small land, have to allow anybody from the ethnic majority, like Indians and Chinese, to come in and live with them, as in Tibet, how can the minority survive? It's fine, is it, to let the minority come in and live among the majority and let them, the minority, keep their identity & way of life? The UN's rights are a two-edged sword that hurts the minority although it seems to protect them.

I don't mind if the Rohingya live everywhere in Burma, but I would rather they didn't live in the land of the Rakhine only. By the way, do you know the population size of Rakhine and their right to their land (should they give it up unless proved as not theirs)? The UN has to acknowledge "the right to the land" in all ways.

I might sound racist in some ways but all I think is justice to all sides. I don't believe Rakhine should give up their Kosovo. Yet Rohingyas have to live somewhere.

Incidentally, I'm a Mon.
aminor-amajor.blogspot.com

SY Alam Wrote:
27/04/2009
Moe Gyaw,

Who's killing whom? How do you forget the headline news of "Unwanted Anywhere," "The Row over the Rohingya," "Burma's Gaza" and "Plain Speaking" of this Irrawaddy magazine? Those writers are all non-Rohingyas. If someone reads it all, he can decide who are the real killers and who is killing innocent people.

naingmya Wrote:
25/04/2009
Wunpawng,

You are right. It is disgusting that Rohingyas are claiming that they are from Burma. They are using tactic by supporting anti-SPDC movements. Actually, they have Bangladesh origins. They can’t hide their true identity for pretending to be activists from Burma.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
25/04/2009
Unless you can provide any information supported by unbiased sources, your argument is nil, nada, zero, zilch.

SY Alam Wrote:
24/04/2009
According to the history of Arakan it appears that the name Rohingya has a prehistoric origin. In Burma ethnic cleansing is going on. If you read history you can understand what happened to Arakanese during Bodawpaya's invasion. The Burmans killed more than 250,000 Arakanese and they forced more than 120,000 Arakanese into exile in Bangladesh: their descendants, who are now Bangladeshi citizens, call themselves Rakhine. The Muslims from Arakan State call themselves Rohingya and want to be recognized as Rohingya. Those who are descendants of Arakanese Muslims living in Bangladesh call themselves Roai; they are proud to be Roai inside Bangladesh.

It seems that the Rohingya problem is a symptom of hate crimes by the illegal army. There is nothing wrong with them calling themselves Rohingya—it is perfectly in accord with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the United Nations Charter. Most of the Rakhines are not anti-Rohingya, except for bigoted ultranationalists, because they know history.

Khin maung win Wrote:
24/04/2009
WUNPAWNG—Where and when you want to debate, please let me
know. I will do it anywhere in the world. If you want to debate in Burma it’s OK for me. Call all Burmese historians—I will debate with them.
Just put one question to Rakhine and Burmese historians: what is old name of Maungdaw? What is the oldest village in Maungdaw? Is this a Muslim village or a Rakhine village? Who were first settlers on Akyab island?
You are always welcome to find the truth. The Rohingya were an ethnic minority group before 1962, when [recognition] was withdrawn after Ne Win took power from the democratic government of U Nu to play divide and rule in Arakan.
If you don't like military rule in Burma, I hope you won’t support what the military government did to the Rohingya.
If you are an intellectual person you can understand how a group of the people today are an ethnic minority tomorrow? Today, the Rohingyas are fighting for justice and their right and for nothing else.
The Rohingya don't support military rule in Burma. That is why the military don't like them.

Wunpawng Wrote:
23/04/2009
I hate the military regime but the regime is right on this matter. We can see that the Rohingya certainly do not belong to any Myanmar ethnic group by comparing their appearance/complexion with other ethnic groups.

I respect both principles of democracy and human rights, but should we blindly accept what the Rohingya claim?

There should be thorough studies and debate and the majority of public opinions should be taken into account.

SY Alam Wrote:
23/04/2009
Moe Gyaw,

Maybe you are blind or you close your eyes when you see Muslims in front of you. You saw Bengalis in Sittwe, but not Rohingyas, who are 35 to 40 percent of the total population of Arkan. When I was in Arakan I saw very few Rakhine student from Maungdaw and Buthidaung at Sittwe College. They are also sons and daughters of BSPP members. That is why they didn't participate in the 88 demonstration. Now you can see who will be demonstrator from Maungdaw and Buthidaung.

Bengalis don't need to go to Sittwe College-- they have their own colleges and universities in every city. We have only one university for all of Arakan. Bangladesh is 100 times more developed than Arakan, so Bangaladeshi don't need to come to Arakan. They are proud of their country. As you know, Arakan is hell under the Burmese colonial rule. Nobody would like to go to hell except maybe you, because you don't know the difference between independent people and slaves.

Jasmin Wrote:
22/04/2009
I do not like the Burmese ruling military junta, but I agree that Rohingyas are not from Burma.

Remember that Burma is the biggest Buddhist country and should never allow other religions to influence the country. Not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews.

Burma is a Buddhist land, even though Burmese people have freedom to choose their own religion.

Aungsanthit Wrote:
21/04/2009
For those want to know more about what really happened and what will happen again, please find the following path.

http://www.rakhapura.com/scholars-column/report-on-the-conditions-and-sufferings-of-the-rakhaings-in-maungdaw.asp

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
21/04/2009
MPs were elected in a democratic way, but a student leader wouldn't necessarily be elected by the majority of townspeople. It all depends on the students who showed up at the demonstrations. College students usually led a student union. If I remember correctly, there were very, very few Bengali students in Sittwe college. We had a meeting in Sittwe after the military coup. Student leaders from all townships were there. I didn't see any Bengalis. I personally knew the Buthidaung student leader. Obviously it was not you. He was a Rakhine student who took honor classes in Yangon university that time after 2 years in Sittwe college.

Next time when you try to make up a story, you better be more cautious. Otherwise, that'd be another funny post. Now the so-called Rohingya happens to be a so-called student leader and a so-called popular party leader. What comes next, Walter?

Maung Zaw Wrote:
21/04/2009
Who is going to check or believe so-called "Mg Mg"? People are trying to fool others with fake names or IDs. The majority of Muslims in Burma don't like being called "Kala" by others. But here Mg Mg is fond of being called Kala.

Khin maung win Wrote:
20/04/2009
Mg Mg (Ali Khan),

Good! New Muslim, welcome to Islam. My new brother from a different mother. First you need to learn how to spell Maungdaw and Buthidaung. After you finish the first lesson, then I will tell you what you need to do to be an Arkanese. Do you think Ali Khan Mg Mg is enough to be Arakanese (Rakhine +Rohingya)? Everybody knows you are a new fool. You mean you are from Monkey Egg? Do you know where Sandi Khan and Wali Khan Mosques are situated? When they were built? How many Muslim villages were burned in 1942? When the Palace Mosques were destroyed by the military? What happened with the golden gate? You have to answer. Please write here or stop lying. Remember, next time you must correctly spell the names of all towns.

SY Alam Wrote:
20/04/2009
Moe Gyaw,

So you mean those elected MPs from Maungdaw and Buthidaung are Rakhine? That’s why I said you need to see a psychiatrist. If an MP can be a Muslim, what is a student leader? All the MPs are still alive—you cannot lie about their names and religion. Who are the chairmen of NLD from Maungdaw and Buthidaung? I know you want to lie, but you cannot because they all are still alive. They are Muslims, too. Now what do you want to say? They are not leaders?

Don't be chauvinistic. You and all of your racist people can try to lie, but the truth will always come up. If you learned more about me, it would be harder for you. That’s why it would be better if you didn't think about me, because I'm not only a leader of the 88 student demonstrations, but also a leader of a popular party here, too. I don't know about you, because there is no place for racists in a democratic country and in a civilized world. Don't be jealous. Arakan is not only for the Rakhine—it’s for the Rohingya, too. I don't need permission from Rakhines to be a leader, because I am a leader.

Maung Zaw Wrote:
20/04/2009
Maung Maung,

Nobody will believe you are a Muslim. Try another trick.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
19/04/2009
To Sy Alam,

With no references and a lack of rationale from your part, there is hardly any reason to continue this discussion.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
18/04/2009
A Bengali happened to be a student leader in Maungdaw and Buthidaung in the student-led 88 revolution? It is like the sky above me collapsed. I was totally blown away. Some may think the Bengalis might have upper hand in those areas since more than 90 percent of the population are Bengalis. This logic doesn't apply in Rakhine, especially in those areas.

Or are you maybe some type of Walter Mitty, after reading Neil Lawrence's above article describing some Muslims walking ahead of monks, then you might've visualized yourself being a student leader in 1988? Awesome. Anyway, I found your posts so entertaining. I hope to see more posts from you.

Maung Maung (Ali Khan) Wrote:
18/04/2009
I am a Muslim from Arakan State, I studied at Mrauk U High School. But I never knew about so-called Rohingyas. My parents are not Rohingyas but we speak Chittagong language. But I know we are Arakanese.

The meaning of Rohingya is not calling for race or nationhood. The meaning of Rohingya is “homeless” or those who are living away from their homeland or seasonal workers.

Buthidown and Maung Daw Kular are Bengali from Bangladesh. They are always creating problems in the region. The so-called Rohingya like more land and more wives. They can do everything for land and women.

You see many boat refugees are from Bangladesh.

kyaw win Wrote:
17/04/2009
Burmese people are generally racists who have been trained to be racists since the struggle of independence. I grew up in Shan State, where my schoolmates, who were under 10 years old, called me "Kala," which is a very disgusting word used by Burmese people to name a person of Muslim faith. Most Rohingyas do not read English or Burmese or any language. They do not have access to the Internet and they don’t even know The Irrawaddy. This media survey is completely biased.

SY Alam Wrote:
17/04/2009
Moe Gyaw,

After you read the report from Rakhapura you are writing here? As I said, I was a student leader in the 88 demonstration. Because of the 88 demonstration, I have to live in exile.

Please don't believe Rakhapura. They are lying to all innocent Arkanese. Rakhapura always carries propaganda. They are making false history. Even in Akyab, Muslims and Rakhines were together everywhere. Now you can see them fighting each other, but in the 88 demonstration, we never saw even personal fights, much less religious or racial fighting. Please don't spread rumors with this kind of hatred. We can tell our future generations we are peace-loving people, as we proved in 88. I want to advise you not to read that hateful magazine and ask you to tell others not to read it. I hope you and all of our people will love to read good books from which we can get good knowledge.

Cougar Wrote:
17/04/2009
You can watch Dr Aye Chan uncover the true story of the so-called Rohingya:

http://arzarni.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post_6392.html

Presented by Arakan Rakkhita Group from Japan.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
16/04/2009
Sy Alam says I wrote a false story about what happened on 13/05/1988 in Maungdaw and he claimed it never happened.

Check this out:
http://www.rakhapura.com/scholars-column/report-on-the-conditions-and-sufferings-of-the-rakhaings-in-maungdaw.asp
http://padaukmyay.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post_23.html


Cougar Wrote:
16/04/2009
Hello guys,

You can read an interesting article about Bengali immigrants from a moderate Rakhine scholar's view point:

“Response to the Press Release of the ‘Rohingyas,’” by Khin Maung Saw, Berlin, Germany. http://www.narinjara.com/pdf/Response_to_the_Press_Release.pdf

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
16/04/2009
Bengali people came to Rakhine as slaves thanks to Rakhine pirates. That doesn't automatically translate into giving all the Bengalis currently residing in Rakhine State citizenship. For example, there were Chinese labors in the US a long time ago. Should all the Chinese people who come to the US be granted citizenship? What about blacks? They were brought to the US as slaves. Then all Africans can migrate to the US legally?

Bodaw Maung Wine took Bengali slaves to Myedu and resettled in Thandway. If there were some Bengalis who remained in Rakhine that time, they and their descendents should be citizens. The law says anyone who resided in Myanmar before 1824 should become a citizen. It is very likely all the Bengalis currently residing in northern Rakhine are those who sneaked into our land after 1824.

P.S. Arakan is the name probably first called by foreigners, but not inside Rakhine.

SY Alam Wrote:
14/04/2009
Moe Gyaw,

I am very sorry to hear your false statement. I am a student of the 88 generation. At that time, I was in Maungdaw and Buthidaung. I am an eyewitness. What you say never happened. If you don't know, don't try to fool people. I am not siding with anyone. We Rohingya and Rakhine are very much united against the MaSaLa [BSPP]. We once saw Muslim clergy and Buddhist monks under one umbrella making speeches to all people. You can write false stories of Arakan, but you cannot write a false story of the 88 demonstrations. A lot of people are still alive among them, and I am one.

Aung Ko Wrote:
12/04/2009
The history of Rakhine began after the 9th century, which is much later than Rohingyas' began. Till the 7th century, the people of Arakan were Indo-Aryan. After 1784, the Mughs played the role of converting Arakan into a free Muslim zone and destroyed all historical evidences of Rohingya. The Mugh extremists attacked 100,000 Muslims and drove out more than 80,000 Muslims from their own land Arakan during 1942. The Mugh and Burmese junta can destroy and convert the evidences of Rohingya only within Myanmar but they cannot force the global community to be silent. If the Rohingya do not deserve to be citizens of Myanmar, why do you keep the land of the Rohingya as part of your Union of Myanmar? I would like to suggest Moe Gyaw to study more history about Arakan and its people. You read only the papers of a so-called historian Aye Chan. That is not sufficient to judge the future of Arakan.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
11/04/2009
During the 88 demonstrations, one incident took place in Maungdaw where the Rakhine population was outnumbered 1 to 99 by the Bengali immigrants. Some fifty thousand Bengalis stormed into downtown areas to kill off all Rakhine nationals. First, they destroyed a Buddhist monastery, then they tried to burn Rakhine residences. Help came from unexpected quarters. Police and Lone Htein arrived in the nick of time. Without their presence, the Rakhine population in Maungdaw would definitely have been wiped out. After that a good number of Rakhine families from Maungdaw moved to Sittwe. Such an incident happened in 1942 when the British retreated to India, leaving northern Rakhine at the mercy of a Muslim V-Force who later massacred thousands of defenseless Rakhine people. Whenever there was unrest, the Bengalis'd take advantage of it. Now he said "What can happen in Arakan? War is surely hell."

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
11/04/2009
That is a fact. Dravidians first settled in Bengal around the year 1000 BCE.
(See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bangladesh#Etymology)

That means they found a place to live 1666 years later than the Danyawaddy era. You better study your own history rather than georaphy.

You said, "What can happen in Arakan? War is surely hell." What do you mean? Is it a threat?

SY Alam Wrote:
10/04/2009
If Mogh (so-called Rakhine) immigrants from India can become sons of Arakan, why not the Rohingya (so-called Bengalis)? Bangladesh border on Arakan. Bihar state of India is far away from Arakan. Who can believe Rakhines (Moghs) came to Arakan earlier than the Rohingya? What kind of logic is this? You guys need to study geography. Don't try to lie to us. Might is not always right. Because of racism, hatred and bigotry, what can happen in Arakan, do you know? War is surely hell.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
10/04/2009
As time went by, they were mixed with Arabs, Portuguese, Persians, Turks and Pathans. The early Rakhine were Indo-Aryan. Indo-Aryans are known as extremely racial, there are 4 classes within Aryan people.

It is inconceivable early Rakhine people could've intermingled with those people across the river. As Burmese came in, Rakhine people seemed to be belligerent; they invaded part of Bengla and were known as slave hunters who roamed along Ganges River.

I want you to see these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=qoff1ad_a1M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=FDa45LgYTxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=7bGhHUMNYZ4&feature=related

They are Rahine migrants, called Marmar people in Bangladesh. They fled because of Badaw Maung Wine's cruelty to Rakhine people. They were there for more than 250 years and still are Rakhine. The reason why I am trying to explain that far is it is a bit too much for me to remain silent.

Moe Gyaw Wrote:
10/04/2009
To Ko Min Zaw,

I think you implied that Rakhine and Bengalis could have been mixed racially because they are separated by a river. I guess a lot of Burmese people think the same. In fact, it is totally untrue as far as I'm concerned. We need to view the Rakhine history in 2 parts: early Rakhine were Indian Hindus who migrated from Bihar State in India circa 2666 B.C. The 2nd part is the 9th century Burmese influx into Rakhine. The history doesn't have a lot to talk about that time. It simply says it was a violent time. The Wethali Sandra dynasty disappeared. See the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arakan_Kings

You will see Hindus names are replaced with more familiar Rakhine names since then. I'd admit some Rakhine do have a significant mixture of Indian blood. But most don't. You might wonder what the differences between Hindus and Bengalis are. The earliest settlers in Bangladesh were Dravidans who are classed as sinful people and Dasyus in the Hindu scriptures such as Mahabharata.

Rakko Wrote:
08/04/2009
It is unfortunate that some sock puppets of the Burmese terrorist junta have confirmed the racist agenda of the junta.

Mr.True Wrote:
08/04/2009
Sorry, I don't mean Neil Lawrence. I refer to Maung Maung, who made the comment about Dr. Than Tun's article. It is sure he has not read Dr. Than Tun's articles about Bengali migrant workers (the so-called Rohingya). He did not say anything about Dr.Than Tun's apology.

Mr.True Wrote:
08/04/2009
I don't know who Neil Lawrence is, but I'm sure that he or she has not read the articles of Dr. Than Tun, the Burmese historian. In his first article he wrote the same as mentioned in Neil Lawrence’s article. It was only the first article, but a few months later he apologized to his audience and Burmese people, and especially to Arakanese historians and Arkanese people, that he was wrong. You can find this article, I think, in Payfullwar magazine. So I would like to advise you to read Dr. Than Tun’s articles first before you say something about it.

Min Zaw Wrote:
05/04/2009
The river that separates the two countries is pretty small. So sure, these people have a lot in common with people in neighboring Bangladesh. But those calling them Bengalis probably don't realize that these Rohingyas are no more Bengali that the Chins called be called Shan. In other words, they are just Chittagonians.

In much the same way, the Kachins in Burma are called Jingpaw in China. Chins in Burma and Chins in India are collectively called the Zo people.

Borders between two countries are just boundaries, but to think they must be different, just like a kyauk kyaw is coconut on one side and jelly on the other, shows how naive people can be when their views are shrouded by religion and race.

Is China supposed to force the Jingpaws back to Burma? Should India ask the Zo people to retreat into the Chin valleys? And what about the Tais in China?

Okkar Wrote:
04/04/2009
First of all, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for sympathizing with these Islamic terrorists. If you are Bamar and Buddhist, think about your fellow Burmese and Buddhist first.

What does "deserve to stay as a nation" have to do with democracy? There are other countries that are developed and flourishing without democracy. Democracy is not something that defines a country or a nation. Democracy is just an ideology, and a capitalist one at that. Do you think even democratic countries practice human rights? Look at what happened at the G20 protests—that’s the democratic police force of the oldest democratic government in the Western world beating the life out of their own citizens exercising their democratic rights to protest. It was caught on daytime television! That’s democracy for you!

As for the Rohingya, if they want their human rights to be recognized and respected, they should go and ask for it in Bangladesh, because that’s where they belong. The fence is still open for them!

Zaw Min Wrote:
03/04/2009
For me, as a member of the majority Bamar race, calling people Rohingya or Bengali or whatever you want to call them does not change the fact that they are human beings and deserve to be treated like human beings. In our country, everyone is treated inhumanely, more (such as the Rohingya and other minorities) or less (city dwellers), in one way or another. Inhumane treatment deserves to be condemned, regardless of the nationality or ethnicity of the people it is directed against.

The world is becoming global and we cannot force ourselves to remain as Bamar, Rakhine, Karen, Shan, or Rohingya, in an enclave. It is simply not right.

I want democracy and human rights to flourish in our land called Burma or Myanmar. We don’t deserve to stay on as a country or a nation if we don’t grant democracy, human rights and rule of law to everyone regardless of race or religion. This is not the right of the majority. It is for all. In the same way, no one, government or country, has the right to preach democracy and human rights if they don’t practice it.

Thu Maung Wrote:
02/04/2009
Let us suffer all together, because we have no guts. What's the difference? Maybe Rohingyas suffer less than monks or Karen or common people.

We are discriminated against by others, Thai or Malays, as third class human beings.





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